So, where do we go from here?

edited December 1969 in GENERAL CHAT
There are lots of leavers out there telling us we are British, of course we will make a success of our exit from the EU.<br /><br />Ummm... we are part of a global economy, our world role was a country in the EU playing its part in that global economy, we've just voted that away, maybe. As an independent country what do we do?<br /><br />OK we are the world's 5th. biggest economy, apparently, but much of that is based on financial services which is seemingly much despised. You can count nothing out at the moment so given a snap general election and a left wing Corbynite government, maybe they would try to tax the rich in the na?ve way the left seem to think is the solution to everything. So the money men decamp virtually overnight.<br /><br />Manufacturing? Well we ain't got much left have we? We make cars; Japanese cars, German cars, French cars, American cars, Indian cars, Arabian cars and Morgans... To think we once had the second biggest motor industry in the world. But through poor investment, poor management and above all bloody minded unions we threw it all away. Oh, we gave some of it away as well; but for our expertise, help and investment VW, Nissan, BMW and Isuzu probably wouldn't exist. Not much to rely on there then.<br /><br />So what else is there?
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    <br />There are lots of leavers out there telling us we are British, of course we will make a success of our exit from the EU.<br /><br />Ummm... we are part of a global economy, our world role was a country in the EU playing its part in that global economy, we've just voted that away, maybe. As an independent country what do we do?<br /><br />OK we are the world's 5th. biggest economy, apparently, but much of that is based on financial services which is seemingly much despised. You can count nothing out at the moment so given a snap general election and a left wing Corbynite government, maybe they would try to tax the rich in the na?ve way the left seem to think is the solution to everything. So the money men decamp virtually overnight.<br /><br />Manufacturing? Well we ain't got much left have we? We make cars; Japanese cars, German cars, French cars, American cars, Indian cars, Arabian cars and Morgans... To think we once had the second biggest motor industry in the world. But through poor investment, poor management and above all bloody minded unions we threw it all away. Oh, we gave some of it away as well; but for our expertise, help and investment VW, Nissan, BMW and Isuzu probably wouldn't exist. Not much to rely on there then.<br /><br />So what else is there?<br />
    <br /><br />Tricky, innit? The successful businesses -- Dyson spring to mind -- outsource a lot of their manufacturing to the third world. There'll be no extra British employment there until our wages shrink to equal theirs, which they may well do, of course. <br /><br />Then there is power, much of which we have to buy in. Unless the ? miraculously rises it's going to cost us more --- not very good for British Industry! We are, and have been for years, a net importer of 'stuff', including raw materials, all of which may now cost more. Oh! say the Brexiteers, British manufacturers will take up the slack. When? Tomorrow? Next week? Five years time? When?<br /><br />Ah, but we'll be able to negotiate deals with individual companies world wide. Yes, provided those companies' countries don't impose punitive taxes and tariffs to protect their own industries and balance of payments. Just like it used to be, in fact. All we need now is bloody Red Robbo, the four day week and only allowed to take ?25 out of the country, like the last time we stood proud against the world.
  • Not much, but to fill the void in will come the Trumps and Murdochs of this world and promise everything for selling our souls. Casinos and the like will flourish because we can offer low tax rates because we don't have to pay the EU any more. It will be Shangri la and we will all live happily ever after dosed up on the drugs.
  • Just heard on the Beeb that something like 75% of 18-35 year olds wanted to remain - that does not bode well for the future, after all they will inherit all this. <br /><br />I wonder if Northern Ireland will follow Scotland's example, could just be England and Wales.
  • As their raison d'etre has been achieved  Farage, Nutall, Carswell at al should dissolve themselves and their works  in a big vat of acid, so that's a crumb of comfort.
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    <br />There are lots of leavers out there telling us we are British, of course we will make a success of our exit from the EU.<br /><br />Ummm... we are part of a global economy, our world role was a country in the EU playing its part in that global economy, we've just voted that away, maybe. As an independent country what do we do?<br /><br />OK we are the world's 5th. biggest economy, apparently, but much of that is based on financial services which is seemingly much despised. You can count nothing out at the moment so given a snap general election and a left wing Corbynite government, maybe they would try to tax the rich in the na?ve way the left seem to think is the solution to everything. So the money men decamp virtually overnight.<br /><br />Manufacturing? Well we ain't got much left have we? We make cars; Japanese cars, German cars, French cars, American cars, Indian cars, Arabian cars and Morgans... To think we once had the second biggest motor industry in the world. But through poor investment, poor management and above all bloody minded unions we threw it all away. Oh, we gave some of it away as well; but for our expertise, help and investment VW, Nissan, BMW and Isuzu probably wouldn't exist. Not much to rely on there then.<br /><br />So what else is there?<br />
    <br />[size=18pt]<br />GOLD![/size] dribble_01<br />
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    <br />There are lots of leavers out there telling us we are British, of course we will make a success of our exit from the EU.<br /><br />Ummm... we are part of a global economy, our world role was a country in the EU playing its part in that global economy, we've just voted that away, maybe. As an independent country what do we do?<br /><br />OK we are the world's 5th. biggest economy, apparently, but much of that is based on financial services which is seemingly much despised. You can count nothing out at the moment so given a snap general election and a left wing Corbynite government, maybe they would try to tax the rich in the na?ve way the left seem to think is the solution to everything. So the money men decamp virtually overnight.<br /><br />Manufacturing? Well we ain't got much left have we? We make cars; Japanese cars, German cars, French cars, American cars, Indian cars, Arabian cars and Morgans... To think we once had the second biggest motor industry in the world. But through poor investment, poor management and above all bloody minded unions we threw it all away. Oh, we gave some of it away as well; but for our expertise, help and investment VW, Nissan, BMW and Isuzu probably wouldn't exist. Not much to rely on there then.<br /><br />So what else is there?<br />
    <br />[size=18pt]<br />GOLD![/size] dribble_01<br />
    <br /><br />Oh yes. Very good. Gold. Let's see. How much gold shall I buy today or sell today. Oh hang on only rich people have lots of gold. I don't have gold to sell nor can I afford to buy any. I have a few potatoes in pots, however, and as long as the blight doesn't hit I have enough for a few meals. (And very nice they are too). <br /><br />I forsee a massive rise in the black economy as people look out for themselves and try to bridge the growing gap between their earnings and their buying power.
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    <br />There are lots of leavers out there telling us we are British, of course we will make a success of our exit from the EU.<br /><br />Ummm... we are part of a global economy, our world role was a country in the EU playing its part in that global economy, we've just voted that away, maybe. As an independent country what do we do?<br /><br />OK we are the world's 5th. biggest economy, apparently, but much of that is based on financial services which is seemingly much despised. You can count nothing out at the moment so given a snap general election and a left wing Corbynite government, maybe they would try to tax the rich in the na?ve way the left seem to think is the solution to everything. So the money men decamp virtually overnight.<br /><br />Manufacturing? Well we ain't got much left have we? We make cars; Japanese cars, German cars, French cars, American cars, Indian cars, Arabian cars and Morgans... To think we once had the second biggest motor industry in the world. But through poor investment, poor management and above all bloody minded unions we threw it all away. Oh, we gave some of it away as well; but for our expertise, help and investment VW, Nissan, BMW and Isuzu probably wouldn't exist. Not much to rely on there then.<br /><br />So what else is there?<br />
    <br />[size=18pt]<br />GOLD![/size] dribble_01<br />
    <br /><br />Oh yes. Very good. Gold. Let's see. How much gold shall I buy today or sell today. Oh hang on only rich people have lots of gold. I don't have gold to sell nor can I afford to buy any. I have a few potatoes in pots, however, and as long as the blight doesn't hit I have enough for a few meals. (And very nice they are too). <br /><br />I forsee a massive rise in the black economy as people look out for themselves and try to bridge the growing gap between their earnings and their buying power.<br />
    <br /><br />Sell your house, buy a caravan and gold!<br /><br />Rickards on gold and Brexit<br />http://www.bnn.ca/Video/player.aspx?vid=897571<br /><br /><br />
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    <br />There are lots of leavers out there telling us we are British, of course we will make a success of our exit from the EU.<br /><br />Ummm... we are part of a global economy, our world role was a country in the EU playing its part in that global economy, we've just voted that away, maybe. As an independent country what do we do?<br /><br />OK we are the world's 5th. biggest economy, apparently, but much of that is based on financial services which is seemingly much despised. You can count nothing out at the moment so given a snap general election and a left wing Corbynite government, maybe they would try to tax the rich in the na?ve way the left seem to think is the solution to everything. So the money men decamp virtually overnight.<br /><br />Manufacturing? Well we ain't got much left have we? We make cars; Japanese cars, German cars, French cars, American cars, Indian cars, Arabian cars and Morgans... To think we once had the second biggest motor industry in the world. But through poor investment, poor management and above all bloody minded unions we threw it all away. Oh, we gave some of it away as well; but for our expertise, help and investment VW, Nissan, BMW and Isuzu probably wouldn't exist. Not much to rely on there then.<br /><br />So what else is there?<br />
    <br />[size=18pt]<br />GOLD![/size] dribble_01<br />
    <br /><br />Oh yes. Very good. Gold. Let's see. How much gold shall I buy today or sell today. Oh hang on only rich people have lots of gold. I don't have gold to sell nor can I afford to buy any. I have a few potatoes in pots, however, and as long as the blight doesn't hit I have enough for a few meals. (And very nice they are too). <br /><br />I forsee a massive rise in the black economy as people look out for themselves and try to bridge the growing gap between their earnings and their buying power.<br />
    <br /><br />Sell your house, buy a caravan and gold!<br /><br />Rickards on gold and Brexit<br />http://www.bnn.ca/Video/player.aspx?vid=897571<br />
    <br /><br />I live in South Wales, near Port Talbot - who is going to buy my house? Nothing to see here, especially not jobs. And anyway gold is the last thing I would buy. Sell my house and buy land so that I can be more self-sufficient and live in a wooden hut. That's more my style. Until I get very old a nd decrepit (in about two years time).
  • There's still the uranium deposits in Cornwall. And full-scale fracking should be a goer.
  • Well there should be plenty of jobs available - for those suitably qualified of course.  Untangling 40+ years of UK and EU law will take some sorting out - so people with a legal background should be ok.  Then there will be the extra customs staff we will need and the staff to police the new borders with ROI and at Dover.  There might well be a need for more police and army staff to deal with the civil unrest which could ensue when people realise how much they have been lied to.  <br /><br />The problem is, of course, that these are all public sector jobs - so where will the money come in from?  Well whilst we have no laws in place (the government will need some time to sort that out) we will be ripe for investment from countries with shady sums to put away (those exposed by the Panama Papers) - and deregulation would allow fracking to be fast-tracked as well as building on greenbelt land etc.  No doubt casinos etc will flourish in this new free England.  But I think the truth is that we will all be a lot poorer - but at least we will have our sovereignty back - so that's all right then.<br /><br />S McS  :cry:
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    <br />Just heard on the Beeb that something like 75% of 18-35 year olds wanted to remain - that does not bode well for the future, after all they will inherit all this. <br /><br />I wonder if Northern Ireland will follow Scotland's example, could just be England and Wales.<br />
    <br /><br />Yes I watch Al jazeera news now (thanks to Stan) and they had a big feature on this.  Apparently there is a lot of angst on social media as young people feel they have been sold out by the older generation.  Of course us oldies will say that we are wiser and more mature to make such a judgement - but it is the younger ones who will have to live with the consequences of this decision.  <br /><br />As to NI  -  I think there will be renewed calls for unification and we all know what that might lead to.<br /><br />I was thinking about Gibraltar.  95% of Gibraltarians voted to stay in the EU but like the Scots and Northern Irish their democracy has been overidden by the English.  I wondered if they might consider becoming a dependancy of Scotland - should they manage to stay in the EU.  It would be one option.<br /><br />S McS  :cry:
  • But.. but, all that lovely lolly we once paid to the EU will transform the NHS, end austerity, bump up pensions and keep us all happy campers in Boris Heaven. Won't it??
  • What will happen to all the MEPs ? - will they have to claim Jobseekers Allowance  ?!!
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    <br />What will happen to all the MEPs ? - will they have to claim Jobseekers Allowance  ?!!<br />
    <br /><br />We won't actually leave the EU for another 2 years, at least.  Long enough for them to use their contacts to get another lucrative job.  I think they should be the least of our worries!<br /><br />S McS  :cry:
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    <br />What will happen to all the MEPs ? - will they have to claim Jobseekers Allowance  ?!!<br />
    <br /><br />House of Lords.
  • Ah yes, part of the democratic way of governing ourselves that we voted for.
  • A bit early for all this gloom and doom isn't it?<br /><br />We haven't actually left Europe. We haven't even left the EU yet.<br /><br />I feel sure this is only the beginning - the rest of the EU don't really want us to go so my guess is that some sort of renewed attempt will be made to keep us in.<br /><br />Trouble is, we need some strong willed politicians to make the most of the opportunities that will arise...
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    <br />A bit early for all this gloom and doom isn't it?<br /><br />We haven't actually left Europe. We haven't even left the EU yet.<br /><br />
    <br /><br />Perhaps someone will kindly tell my buyers that :-(
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    <br />A bit early for all this gloom and doom isn't it?<br /><br />We haven't actually left Europe. We haven't even left the EU yet.<br /><br />
    <br /><br />Perhaps someone will kindly tell my buyers that :-(<br />
    <br /><br />Your (and mine) lack of buyers are nothing to do directly with the EU. Their non-existence is a symptom of the global recession that has been quietly underway for while - and the moribund eurozone isn't going to fare well, so the further away from that fiasco we are, the better. <br />That's what I say, and some of it might turn out to be correct.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
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    <br />.......so my guess is that some sort of renewed attempt will be made to keep us in.<br />
    <br /><br />Do you really think that is even remotely possible ? - maybe some sort of partial withdrawal ? - keeping the trading deals etc. but governing ourselves and no EU laws ?
  • Added from my Mobile device Not according to what I heard on Radio 4, the EU want us gone as soon as possible and well before the two years, as they said we voted to leave so why do we now want to hang around causing more decent amongst other EU members.
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    <br />A bit early for all this gloom and doom isn't it?<br /><br />We haven't actually left Europe. We haven't even left the EU yet.<br /><br />I feel sure this is only the beginning - the rest of the EU don't really want us to go so my guess is that some sort of renewed attempt will be made to keep us in.<br /><br />Trouble is, we need some strong willed politicians to make the most of the opportunities that will arise...<br />
    <br /><br />I'm sick to death of all the negativity. This should be something to celebrate and build on. Onwards and upwards and all that.
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    <br />Just heard on the Beeb that something like 75% of 18-35 year olds wanted to remain - that does not bode well for the future, after all they will inherit all this. <br /><br />I wonder if Northern Ireland will follow Scotland's example, could just be England and Wales.<br />
    <br /><br />Yes I watch Al jazeera news now (thanks to Stan) and they had a big feature on this.  Apparently there is a lot of angst on social media as young people feel they have been sold out by the older generation.  Of course us oldies will say that we are wiser and more mature to make such a judgement - but it is the younger ones who will have to live with the consequences of this decision.  <br /><br />As to NI  -  I think there will be renewed calls for unification and we all know what that might lead to.<br /><br />I was thinking about Gibraltar.  95% of Gibraltarians voted to stay in the EU but like the Scots and Northern Irish their democracy has been overidden by the English.  I wondered if they might consider becoming a dependancy of Scotland - should they manage to stay in the EU.  It would be one option.<br /><br />S McS  :cry:<br />
    <br /><br />Re Gibraltar, Spain have already been making noises again and it would make sense.
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    <br />A bit early for all this gloom and doom isn't it?<br /><br />We haven't actually left Europe. We haven't even left the EU yet.<br /><br />
    <br /><br />Perhaps someone will kindly tell my buyers that :-(<br />
    <br /><br />Your (and mine) lack of buyers are nothing to do directly with the EU. Their non-existence is a symptom of the global recession that has been quietly underway for while - and the moribund eurozone isn't going to fare well, so the further away from that fiasco we are, the better. <br />That's what I say, and some of it might turn out to be correct.<br />
    <br /><br />I don't remember you mentioning the upcoming world recession before, though I have. However, 'ordinary' recessions do not to much affect book sales, in my experience, as they tend to creep up on you and folk have time to get used to them, whereas I've no doubt that the vote is having and will have an effect. I have never had so many eBay watchers combined with so few buyers (Amazon has simply stopped). My interpretation of that is that they are scared to commit their money on a fairly expensive item. It will be interesting to see what happens over the weekend. I'm not hopeful.<br /><br />Well, I'm b******. Honesty requires me to say that no sooner had I typed that than I've sold a ?70er off Amazon! Hope it's not just a fluke.
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    <br />A bit early for all this gloom and doom isn't it?<br /><br />We haven't actually left Europe. We haven't even left the EU yet.<br /><br />I feel sure this is only the beginning - the rest of the EU don't really want us to go so my guess is that some sort of renewed attempt will be made to keep us in.<br /><br />Trouble is, we need some strong willed politicians to make the most of the opportunities that will arise...<br />
    <br /><br />I'm sick to death of all the negativity. This should be something to celebrate and build on. Onwards and upwards and all that.<br />
    <br /><br />Tell that to the Polish people living legally and feeling, to use the words of a couple of them, that they are not wanted, or to the pensioner living in Spain who has already seen a drop in his income.<br /><br />It's not negatively, as a young girl has just said it feels like her rights have been taken out of her hands. Not all of us voted to leave!
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    <br />Added from my Mobile device Not according to what I heard on Radio 4, the EU want us gone as soon as possible and well before the two years, as they said we voted to leave so why do we now want to hang around causing more decent amongst other EU members.<br />
    <br /><br />UK can only legitimately leave by doing the Article 50 thing. No-one else can make UK do that, and there's no sign of UK governement doing it...<br /><br />
  • This sums it up nicely.<br /><br />http://www.shortlist.com/news/this-thoughtful-response-to-the-brexit-result-will-give-you-pause-for-thought<br /><br />My daughter was devastated at the opportunites which had been snatched away from her by people too old to take advantage of them.
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    <br />A bit early for all this gloom and doom isn't it?<br /><br />We haven't actually left Europe. We haven't even left the EU yet.<br /><br />
    <br /><br />Perhaps someone will kindly tell my buyers that :-(<br />
    <br /><br />Your (and mine) lack of buyers are nothing to do directly with the EU. Their non-existence is a symptom of the global recession that has been quietly underway for while - and the moribund eurozone isn't going to fare well, so the further away from that fiasco we are, the better. <br />That's what I say, and some of it might turn out to be correct.<br />
    <br /><br />I don't remember you mentioning the upcoming world recession before, though I have. However, 'ordinary' recessions do not to much affect book sales, in my experience, as they tend to creep up on you and folk have time to get used to them, whereas I've no doubt that the vote is having and will have an effect. I have never had so many eBay watchers combined with so few buyers (Amazon has simply stopped). My interpretation of that is that they are scared to commit their money on a fairly expensive item. It will be interesting to see what happens over the weekend. I'm not hopeful.<br /><br />Well, I'm b******. Honesty requires me to say that no sooner had I typed that than I've sold a ?70er off Amazon! Hope it's not just a fluke.<br />
    <br /><br />I haven't mentioned the recession before because I've only just realised it's happening. (I must pay more attention to your economic forecasts in future!)<br /><br />In summer 2008 my book sales suddenly suffered a marked decine in numbers - I remember saying to a new PO bod that 'I usually sell more than this', not knowing at the time that they would decline further and not recover until the wider economy recovered a bit. <br />This hard, scientific evidence is good enough for me!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
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